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1. [What happens after the message goes out?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s1)
2. [How far is the influence line from the reporting line?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s2)
3. [How do you find them?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s3)
4. [Why the org chart always misses them](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s4)
5. [Once you know who they are](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s5)
6. [When the company gets bigger](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s6)

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# The people who aren't on the org chart

How the CEO’s message lands is decided by someone who isn’t on the org chart

[Nobu Sato](https://nobusato.jp/en/profile?hsLang=en)9 min read

Contents6

1. [What happens after the message goes out?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s1)
2. [How far is the influence line from the reporting line?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s2)
3. [How do you find them?](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s3)
4. [Why the org chart always misses them](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s4)
5. [Once you know who they are](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s5)
6. [When the company gets bigger](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/people-not-on-the-org-chart#s6)

An org chart shows how a company wants information to flow. It doesn't show how information actually flows. When a client asks me for an organizational diagnosis, the first document they hand over is almost always the org chart: a tree, who reports to whom, at a glance.

I look at it. I don't start from it. The gap between the chart and what really happens is what I'm looking for.

## What happens after the message goes out?

Say the CEO announces a change to the commission plan at an all-hands. On the org chart the message travels from him to the department heads to everyone else, along clean lines.

That isn't what happens. The meeting ends and a few people drift over to the same person and ask what he makes of it. If he says "this one's for real," people take it seriously. If he says "let's wait and see, they said that last time too," the plan is discounted on the spot.

He isn't on the org chart, or at least not in that position. Yet he, more than the CEO, decides how the message is understood.

I once saw a textbook case. The person who really shaped decisions in one team was a recent hire. No title, little seniority, very good communication habits. He listened to everyone. He caught up with each person after meetings and planted his ideas a little at a time. Within a few months he was setting the direction. What the team lead decided in the meeting was usually what this man had already settled in the corridor.

Every company has a few people like this. I call them the people who aren't on the org chart. In a diagnosis, finding them matters far more than reading the chart.

## How far is the influence line from the reporting line?

The innermost layer of my organizational diagnosis has an item called the real power structure. It isn't a label like centralized or flat. It's a few concrete questions. Who can decide? Who can block? How far does the influence line sit from the reporting line?

The reporting line is what's drawn on the chart. The influence line is who people actually go to when something comes up. In very few companies are they the same.

How the CEO’s message lands is decided by someone who isn’t on the org chart

The reporting line (what the chart shows) and the influence line (who people actually go to): the article’s scene, and what to do about each

What happensWhich lineWhat to do

The CEO announces a change to the incentive plan at an all-hands

→

Reporting line: CEO → heads → staff

→

This is how it flows on paper. It doesn’t decide how it’s read

After the meeting, several people go to the same person: what do you think?

→

Influence line: one person with no title

→

Tell that person first, before an important message goes out

A new department head. Influence still runs to the predecessor or a senior employee

→

Gap: temporary

→

Check again in six months whether it has moved toward the reporting line

Decisions keep routing around the head, and the gap doesn’t close

→

Gap: fixed

→

Before replacing the head, find whose hands the influence line is in. A new head won’t move it

Don’t start from the org chart. Measure how far apart the reporting line and the influence line are.

Figure 1. A CEO’s announcement flows down the reporting line from CEO to heads to staff, but how it is understood is decided by the untitled person everyone consults after the meeting, so the diagnosis measures the gap between the two lines, and if the gap never closes you find who holds the influence line before replacing anyone.

A gap isn't automatically bad. When a department head has just arrived, it's normal for the influence line to still run to the predecessor or to a senior employee. Check again in six months and see whether it has moved toward the reporting line. A gap that stays wide is a problem. That head has a box on the chart and a salary to match, and decisions route around him. Whether you replace him or keep him, you first need to know whose hands the influence line is in.

The hardest case is when the influence line belongs to someone with no formal role who doesn't want one. He decides nothing. His stance decides how everyone else decides. You can't evaluate him and you can't move him, because on paper he is nothing.

## How do you find them?

I don't ask who the most influential person in the company is. That question gets the politically correct answer.

I walk decision chains instead. Pick three recent, specific decisions: one about revenue, one about resource allocation, one about people. Pin each one to a date, the people involved and the outcome. Then work backward from those people. Who did you talk to first? Whose remark changed your mind? Once who knew did things get easier, or harder?

Don’t ask who has influence. Trace three decisions back and look for the name that comes up twice

How to find the people who aren’t on the org chart (the diagnostic method in this article)

1. 01Pick three decisionsRecent and concrete: one on revenue, one on resources, one on people
2. 02Pin down date, people, outcomeFix each one as an event, not an opinion
3. 03Work backward from the people involvedWho did you talk to first? Whose remark changed your mind? Once who knew did things move?
4. 04Keep the order of interviewsTop, then middle managers and front line, then back to the top. Reverse it and you hear a second org chart
5. 05Mark any name that appears twice or moreThat is the person who isn’t on the org chart

Ask about influence directly and you get the polite answer. Trace three events and the same name surfaces.

Figure 2. The people who aren’t on the org chart show up when you take three recent decisions on revenue, resources and people, ask those involved who they consulted first, whose remark changed their mind and who made things move, interview top, middle and top again, and mark any name that appears twice or more.

Walk the three chains. The name that shows up twice or more is the one.

The order of the interviews matters. Start at the top, with the brief and the priorities as they see them. Then the middle managers and the front line, about the same events. Then back to the top with the discrepancies laid out. Do it in reverse and the middle will align their story first, and what you hear is a second org chart. It's the same approach I use in [exit interviews](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/why-exit-surveys-lie?hsLang=en). Ask about events, not opinions.

## Why the org chart always misses them

Organizational design is classification. By product, by customer, by region. Every way of cutting puts some people inside boxes and pushes some things into the gaps between them. I wrote about this in [Your resume is a request to be put in a box](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/classification-is-destiny?hsLang=en), borrowing from Gillian Tett. Sony's two divisions shipped incompatible music players. Nobody there was stupid. The boxes were just drawn where they were.

The people who aren't on the org chart usually stand in those gaps. They know both sides, so both sides come to them. The position has no name, so the chart has nowhere to put it.

Middle management is the other place people disappear. One of the derailment patterns in my diagnosis is "good news only": information gets filtered in the middle. The person doing the filtering isn't malicious. He just believes some things shouldn't go upstairs. And the top never learns what was cut from the message that reached them. Some of the people who aren't on the org chart are exactly this kind of filter.

## Once you know who they are

You find these people so you can work with them. You are not hunting them. Most of the time they're the lubricant that keeps the company running. Without them the lines on the chart carry nothing.

Here is what I'd do.

Before an important message goes out, tell them first. This isn't about co-opting them. They are going to interpret the message whatever you do. Better they understand the why beforehand than you react afterward.

Before you think about replacing a department head, look at the influence line. If it was never in that person's hands, a replacement solves nothing. The influence line stays where it was.

And when you design the organization, leave a seat in the gap between the boxes. Some companies formally appoint this person as a cross-functional coordinator. Others don't appoint anyone, but recognize the person in grade and pay. Either works. Ignoring them is the worst option. Sooner or later they leave, and the knowledge of both sides leaves with them.

## When the company gets bigger

How much these people matter depends on size. In a fifty-person company, one or two of them set the tone. In a five-hundred-person company every department has its own, and they fight each other. Three decision chains will surface only a few.

My method stays the same. Don't try to map all of them. For each decision you need to push through, find the one or two people who can sway that outcome, and get them to help you. Different decision, different person. The org chart can't answer that question. Decision chains can.

So in your company, the person everyone goes to first when something comes up: where are they on the org chart?

This post is the prologue to the series People Don't Follow the Org Chart. The thirteen parts:

1. **Part 1 · How people group**
2. [Why global matrix structures break in Japan](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/tate-society-and-matrix-management?hsLang=en)
3. [5, 15, 50, 150: when to redraw the org chart](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/dunbar-numbers-redraw-the-org-chart?hsLang=en)
4. [The favor ledger is more honest than the org chart](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/the-favor-ledger?hsLang=en)
5. **Part 2 · How structure shapes behavior**
6. [Fifty meters apart, conversations stop](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/allen-curve-fifty-meters?hsLang=en)
7. [Conway's law: draw the team before the product](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/conways-law-draw-the-team-first?hsLang=en)
8. [Don't run a startup-stage entity like head office](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/dont-run-a-startup-entity-like-head-office?hsLang=en)
9. [Your bilingual staff are not translators](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/bilingual-staff-are-not-translators?hsLang=en)
10. [Add people, and each one pulls less](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/ringelmann-effect-add-people-pull-less?hsLang=en)
11. **Part 3 · Why people put in effort**
12. [Four kinds of relationships, and why pay design goes wrong](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/four-relational-models-and-pay-design?hsLang=en)
13. [Motivation is a design decision](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/motivation-is-a-design-decision?hsLang=en)
14. [Pay removes complaints. It doesn't create commitment.](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/herzberg-pay-removes-complaints?hsLang=en)
15. [Score the role before you score the person](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/score-the-role-before-the-person?hsLang=en)
16. [When bad news stops traveling up](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/psychological-safety-bad-news?hsLang=en)

The gap between whose name is on the work and whose hands are in it goes back at least 2,200 years. I looked at it through [79 fingerprints on the Terracotta Army](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/terracotta-army-fingerprints?hsLang=en).

When you redraw the chart, the people on it lose things the chart doesn't show. I wrote up a loss ledger for that in [Before a reorg, count what each person loses](https://nobusato.jp/en/blog/reorg-who-loses-what?hsLang=en).

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